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  • dang 49 minutes ago
    [stub for offtopicness]

    [[Come on you guys - you should know better than to post lazy internet ripostes to shallowly provocative titles. This is a fine and interesting historical article.]]

    [[[I've edited the title now so it starts fewer fires]]]

    • firesteelrain 3 hours ago
      There were many private establishments going back to Ancient Rome.

      Fully paid, professional municipal departments came in 1853 Cincinnati.

      So I guess it depends on how you define it. US gets a lot of credit for the idea of a “fire department”

    • decimalenough 4 hours ago
      Invented? Ancient Rome would like a word: the Vigiles Urbani date back to 6 AD.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefighting_in_ancient_Rome

      And private firefighters were active even earlier, with Crassus particularly notorious:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Licinius_Crassus

      • doginasuit 1 hour ago
        The article describes several actual inventions that are still the foundation of modern fire departments. It goes without saying that they didn't come up with the idea of organized firefighting.
      • asmodeuslucifer 2 hours ago
        Seriously Crassus. I know the idea of a rich bastard who starts fires and then makes money putting them out is unbelievable in our modern age but it was a real thing.
        • nidnogg 1 hour ago
          Lmao I could not believe this when I read it. Had to do my due diligence in wikipedia afterwards. It's legit! [1]

          [1] - Fires were almost a daily occurrence in Rome, and Crassus took advantage of the fact that Rome had no fire department, by creating his own brigade—500 men strong—which rushed to burning buildings at the first cry of alarm. Upon arriving at the scene, however, the firefighters did nothing while Crassus offered to buy the burning building from the distressed property owner, at a miserable price. If the owner agreed to sell the property, his men would put out the fire; if the owner refused, then they would simply let the structure burn to the ground. After buying many properties this way, he rebuilt them, and often leased the properties to their original owners or new tenants.

      • stingraycharles 4 hours ago
        Yeah the title is clickbaity, a more accurate title would be that they improved and/or scaled it.
        • embedding-shape 3 hours ago
          From the article:

          > Fire fighters were not paid salaries, however. Each fire company was staffed with 36 residents of the district, serving under the command of two fire masters. Each man appointed had to serve a year or pay a fine of ten guilders.

          Not sure about density in urban old Rome or old Amsterdam, but sounds like their "fire brigade" ended up quite larger in Rome unless Amsterdam had a lot of "districts":

          > After Egnatius' death, Augustus set up his own fire brigade, which also consisted of 600 slaves, and later, in 7 or 6 BCE the fire brigade was enlarged, now consisting of 3,500 freedmen, the vigiles, who were divided into seven cohorts of 500 men each and made subordinate to a praefectus vigilum. In about 200 CE, their number was doubled to 7,000 men. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Egnatius_Rufus

      • sph 4 hours ago
        Didn’t know that; in modern italian vigili urbani is the traffic police.
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